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Novice Atk Matk Hit Critical Def Mdef Flee Aspd
1 1 1 1 1 156
1 177 102
2 2 178 103
3 179 2 2 104
4 2 180 105
5 181 3 106
6 3 182 107
7 183 4 3 108
8 3 184 109
9 185 5 110
10 4 186 111
11 187 6 4 112
12 4 188 113
13 189 7 114
14 5 190 115
15 191 8 5 116
16 5 192 117
17 193 9 118
18 6 194 119
19 195 10 6 120
20 6 196 121
21 197 11 122
22 7 198 123
23 199 12 7 124
24 7 200 125
25 201 13 126
26 8 202 127
27 203 14 8 128
28 8 204 129
29 205 15 130
30 9 206 131
31 207 16 9 132
32 9 208 133
33 209 17 134
34 10 210 135
35 211 18 10 136
36 10 212 137
37 213 19 138
38 11 214 139
39 215 20 11 140
40 11 216 141
41 217 21 142
42 12 218 143
43 219 22 12 144
44 12 220 145
45 221 23 146
46 13 222 147
47 223 24 13 148
48 13 224 149
49 225 25 150
50 14 226 151
51 227 26 14 152
52 14 228 153
53 229 27 154
54 15 230 155
55 231 28 15 156
56 15 232 157
57 233 29 158
58 16 234 159
59 235 30 16 160
60 16 236 161
61 237 31 162
62 17 238 163
63 239 32 17 164
64 17 240 165
65 241 33 166
66 18 242 167
67 243 34 18 168
68 18 244 169
69 245 35 170
70 19 246 171
71 247 36 19 172
72 19 248 173
73 249 37 174
74 20 250 175
75 251 38 20 176
76 20 252 177
77 253 39 178
78 21 254 179
79 255 40 21 180
80 21 256 181
81 257 41 182
82 22 258 183
83 259 42 22 184
84 22 260 185
85 261 43 186
86 23 262 187
87 263 44 23 188
88 23 264 189
89 265 45 190
90 24 266 191
91 267 46 24 192
92 24 268 193
93 269 47 194
94 25 270 195
95 271 48 25 196
96 25 272 197
97 273 49 198
98 26 274 199
99 275 50 26 200
100 26 276 201
101 277 51 202
102 27 278 203
103 279 52 27 204
104 27 280 205
105 281 53 206
106 28 282 207
107 283 54 28 208
108 28 284 209
109 285 55 210
110 29 286 211
111 287 56 29 212
112 29 288 213
113 289 57 214
114 30 290 215
115 291 58 30 216
116 30 292 217
117 293 59 218
118 31 294 219
119 295 60 31 220
120 31 296 221
121 297 61 222
122 32 298 223
123 299 62 32 224
124 32 300 225
125 301 63 226
126 33 302 227
127 303 64 33 228
128 33 304 229
129 305 65 230
130 34 306 231
131 307 66 34 232
132 34 308 233
133 309 67 234
134 35 310 235
135 311 68 35 236
136 35 312 237
137 313 69 238
138 36 314 239
139 315 70 36 240
140 36 316 241
141 317 71 242
142 37 318 243
143 319 72 37 244
144 37 320 245
145 321 73 246
146 38 322 247
147 323 74 38 248
148 38 324 249
149 325 75 250
150 39 326 251

Page is getting a bit big.

Should we split it up? I think they each deserve their own page. — Steax(Talk) 23:05, 13 October 2010 (MDT)

I agree, there's a lot more math and reasoning that goes into each stat than the tiny little blurbs here. Kenji 03 02:31, 20 November 2010 (MST)

Unverified information

How much of the information has been verified to be accurate for Renewal? According to what people were saying in the IRC channel last night, 1 vit does not simply add 1% stun resistance anymore. I'm worried that people are going to base their characters' builds on the information in this article, only to discover it's incorrect. Richard 06:22, 18 October 2010 (MDT)

This page is highly outdated. I suggest we replace this bloated page and split it up and start from scratch for every stat. Or, for that matter, lets just start. — Steax(Talk) 08:16, 18 October 2010 (MDT)
Okay! How about we mark anything that hasn't been confirmed using strikethrough or coloured text? Richard 09:14, 18 October 2010 (MDT)

We've got a few different categories:

  • Renewal accurate and proven (e.g. STR gives 1 ATK) → keep
  • Renewal probably accurate but not yet proven/no formula available (e.g. AGI influences ASPD) → keep, add 'need expert' template?
  • Renewal possibly accurate but unconfirmed/assumed (e.g. 1 VIT = 1% Stun Reisst) → I think we should move them to the talk page till we clarify
  • Pre-renewal information with no known renewal equivalent (e.g. PVM status effects) → Move to talk page too?
  • Pre-renewal outdated information (e.g. MATK increases exponentially with INT) → delete

I also think substats deserve their own pages. This is a pretty big revamp, though. It might be worth sandboxing first. Also, do we really need the stuff about how a stat influences a class? I think user priority will be the other way around; most people will check their class page for information on builds rather than come here. And they add a significant amount of clutter in this format (though if we move each stat to their own page, we can probably keep them). The lists will also probably expand rapidly with third class skills. — Steax(Talk) 12:12, 18 October 2010 (MDT)