Talk:Refinement System
Contradiction concerning using enriched ore to refine from +9 to +10
Enriched Hammer cannot be used to upgrade from +9 to +10 - this is to protect the player, because the success rate when upgrading from +9 to +10 is the same for normal and enriched ores. To upgrade from +9->10, use HD ore and Mighty Hammer.
If this is true, then why do the stated success rates for refining from +9 to +10 using normal ore and enriched ore differ? Richard (talk) 15:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- You can use Enriched ores on +9 gears to attempt making them +10 using the normal enriched NPC, but with the chance of breaking on refinement. It's only the Enriched Hammer event NPC they won't allow you to refine to +10 with. Toxn (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Success chances
As far as I know, official rates for upgrading success have never been published. (for either regular or enriched elu/ori). Same comment holds for Weaponry Research vs upgrading. The enriched Ori/Elu rates don't even conform to what is commonly believed to be their rates. (ie: enriched rate = 1-(1-regular rate)^2 )
I hate to nitpick, but I'd like to see at least some source for this section.
--Biochemistness-76 11:46, 9 March 2008 (MDT)
F2P vs P2P
So the article mentions now that many F2P servers disable the safe limits. Since iWiki is for iRO, I think they need to be reworded to indicate that the Valk server disables them; the fact that other F2Ps disable them should be added as a sidenote. I'm not doing this myself becuase I don't know if this is true/applicable. Usually the word "many" is one to avoid in encyclopedic articles. --Steax 09:04, 1 October 2008 (MDT)
Success chances: iRO Valkyrie
Here's some documented attempts on upgrading using normal metals: [1]
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 20 | 16 |
| Amurru | 40 | 36 |
| Total | 60 | 52 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 16 | 15 |
| Amurru | 36 | 34 |
| Total | 52 | 49 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 15 | 12 |
| Amurru | 34 | 31 |
| Total | 49 | 43 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 12 | 10 |
| Amurru | 31 | 31 |
| Total | 43 | 41 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 10 | 7 |
| Amurru | 31 | 21 |
| Total | 41 | 28 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 7 | 5 |
| Amurru | 21 | 5 |
| Total | 28 | 10 |
| User | Attempts | Successes |
| Doddler | 5 | 1 |
| Amurru | 5 | 3 |
| Total | 10 | 4 |
- Doddler
Clearly these rates aren't anything that I would call good, so I decided to do specific testing. I bought 20 knives (level 1 weapon) and a bunch of phracon and started upgrading. My results are as follows: +0 to +1: 16/20 (80%) +1 to +2: 15/16 (94%) +2 to +3: 12/15 (80%) +3 to +4: 10/12 (83%) +4 to +5: 7/10 (70%) +5 to +6: 5/7 (71%) +6 to +7: 1/5 (20%)
- hurt
Mantle [1] +3 failed going to +4 Mantle [1] +0 failed going to +1 Mantle [1] +0 failed going to +1 Coat [1] +0 failed going to +1 Silk Robe[1]+3 fail3d going to +4 Mantle [1] +1 failed going to +2 Adv Suit [1] +2 Kept it Guard [1] +1 failed going to +2 Guard [1] +0 failed going to +1 Guard [1] +2 kept it Damascus [1] +2 kept
- (Armor)
- +0 to +1: 7/11 (64%)
- +1 to +2: 5/7 (71%)
- +2 to +3: 2/2 (not enough samples)
- +3 to +4: 0/0 (not enough samples)
- Max Period 20:01, 6 November 2008 (MST)
- Amurru
So far I have tried 40 pikes [4] at the the morroc forger and heres a summary of my results. 4 failed at 0-1 2 failed at 1-2 3 failed at 2-3 0 failed at 3-4 10 failed at 4-5 16 failed at 5-6 2 failed at 6-7 3 failed at 7-8
- Level 1 weapon
- +0 to +1: 36/40 (90%)
- +1 to +2: 34/36 (94%)
- +2 to +3: 31/34 (91%)
- +3 to +4: 31/31 (100%)
- +4 to +5: 21/31 (68%)
- +5 to +6: 5/21 (24%)
- +6 to +7: 3/5 (60%)
- +7 to +8: 0/3 (not enough samples)
- Max Period 20:01, 6 November 2008 (MST)
- ShadowScar
I upgraded 50 stiletto [3], a level 2 weapon, at the Prontera forger. I stopped at +8. Here is the data: 6 failed from 0-1 9 failed from 1-2 9 failed from 2-3 9 failed from 3-4 6 failed from 4-5 7 failed from 5-6 2 failed from 6-7 2 failed from 7-8 Results: 1/50 to +8
- Level 2 weapon
- +0 to +1: 44/50 (88%)
- +1 to +2: 35/44 (80%)
- +2 to +3: 26/35 (74%)
- +3 to +4: 17/26 (65%)
- +4 to +5: 12/17 (70%)
- +5 to +6: 05/12 (42%)
- +6 to +7: 03/05 (60%)
- +7 to +8: 01/03 (33%)
- Result
- +0 to +8: 01/50 (2%)
Max Period 17:17, 20 February 2009 (EST)
For a second time, I upgraded 50 stiletto [3], a level 2 weapon, at the Prontera forger. I stopped at +8. Here is the data: 1 failed from 0-1 5 failed from 1-2 6 failed from 2-3 13 failed from 3-4 9 failed from 4-5 7 failed from 5-6 4 failed from 6-7 4 failed from 7-8 Results: 1/50 to +8
- Level 2 weapon
- +0 to +1: 49/50 (98%)
- +1 to +2: 44/49 (90%)
- +2 to +3: 38/44 (86%)
- +3 to +4: 25/38 (66%)
- +4 to +5: 16/25 (64%)
- +5 to +6: 09/16 (56%)
- +6 to +7: 05/09 (56%)
- +7 to +8: 01/05 (20%)
- Result
- +0 to +8: 01/50 (2%)
Max Period 14:54, 03 March 2009 (EST)
If you can do some tries please contribute as much as you can! Max Period 21:46, 4 November 2008 (MST)