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Gif's vs Png's

At this point, we already have almost all the skill icons and a large number of item icons uploaded in .png format. There was some brief discussion on this topic, but the only contributions were regarding jpg vs png since screenshots are originally jpeg. If peoeple desire to use a different format across the wiki, there should probably be some further discussion on the topic rather than people just blindly changing templates back and forth.

(also, Template:Skill and Template:Skill List are serving the same function, one should be decided on and the other should be disposed of.)

--Biochemistness-76 18:22, 18 September 2007 (MDT)

There was some discussion about this on IRC a few minutes ago. I can post the log if interested, but consensus seemed to be that PNG was here to stay, at least for the things that used to be GIFs. Hadas 18:32, 18 September 2007 (MDT)


Template:Skill seems to be the more frequently used template; Template:Skill List is probably only used because it appears in the Templates Category, while Template:Skill doesn't (should be fixed if it's the one kept) --Reiko 04:00, 24 September 2007 (MDT)

Skill List was the one used on RI iirc. --Deviattor 10:08, 24 September 2007 (MDT)

Policy Development

I would like to see some actual coherent, consensus-supported policies come into existence here.

A potential skeleton for these could be:

  • Editing Policy
    • iRO Wiki:Civility - Policies regarding dealing with other editors, such as assuming good faith, civility, etc.
    • iRO Wiki:Deletion - Policy regarding deletion of articles and other media on the wiki.
    • iRO Wiki:Protection - Policy regarding the protection and semi-protection of articles.
    • iRO Wiki:Moderator - Policy regarding the provision and revocation of sysop status as well as sysop-specific policies (e.g. policies regarding wheel warring)
    • iRO Wiki:Vandalism - Coherent policy against vandalism (with a definition of what vandalism is)
  • Content Policy
    • iRO Wiki:Verifiability - Policy that verifiable information is preferable to non-verifiable information.
    • iRO Wiki:Use iRO - Policy that information from private servers is strictly prohibited and information from legal servers other than iRO (e.g. kRO) is less important (and less useful) than information from iRO.
  • Style Policy
    • iRO Wiki:Manual of Style - Create a coherent theme that should be shared by all wiki articles. Should include a section on naming conventions as well.

Hadas 05:44, 19 September 2007 (MDT)

Deletion policy proposal has been made. Hadas 21:39, 10 October 2007 (MDT)


These are all currently in the main namespace, were they intended to be in the project namespace? I can see some value to having them (at this point) out of the project namespace, as that will allow people without sysop to edit/contribute to them. Though ultimately they should be in the project namespace.
Shouldn't we also have something along the lines of a Policy policy, so that we can lay out the formal approach to proposing, adjusting, and ratifying new policy
--Biochemistness-76 14:53, 15 October 2007 (MDT)
That would be a good idea too. Hadas 16:04, 15 October 2007 (MDT)
iRO Wiki:Policies and Guidelines Hadas 07:10, 17 October 2007 (MDT)

Maintenance Script

The maintenance script apparently did not preserve any of the page information associated with any of the images. So it seems all the images are without categories, and any images that may have previously had descriptions no longer do. Can this be solved by some simple tweaking of the script, or will categories & descriptions need to be manually added every time the script runs? --Biochemistness-76 15:11, 26 September 2007 (MDT)

The maintenance script was a one time deal. We totally reinstalled the wiki and transferred everything over via importing and that script. It won't happen again, but I think we'll probably have to manually redo everything that is missing, sorry. Beats having a broken wiki though! --Resplendent 16:11, 26 September 2007 (MDT)


Policies and Guidelines

If anyone who wishes to vote hasn't voted yet, please express your opinions of the proposed policy iRO Wiki:Policies and Guidelines on its talk page. Thanks. Hadas 19:09, 3 November 2007 (MDT)

Kafra Shop and VAS Pages

It'd be nice if there was page describing, in general, how the KS functions, its benefits, and payment methods for iRO in particular. Since this isn't a wiki for any other version, I wouldn't worry about how others do it, especially since it would probably only confuse people. We might also want to do pages for the Value Added Services, since there's soon to be a Stat Reset along with the original two. --Resplendent 00:00, 8 November 2007 (MST)

New Search Engine Trial

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Special:SphinxSearch

Give this a whirl, and leave comments to what you think about it. If it seems to run smoothly enough we'll replace the main search with it. --Bluedreams 23:03, 25 March 2008 (MDT)

Moderator Roll Call

As I'm not quite sure who is actively viewing the wiki from the wiki mod team these days, I would appreciate it if all mods would sign under this section within a week of this message being posted. --Resplendent 02:06, 2 March 2008 (MST)

Hello Resp --WK 05:39, 2 March 2008 (MST)
Herro. Hadas 05:51, 2 March 2008 (MST)
In this place right? --NeoSaro 13:32, 2 March 2008 (MST)
witty comment. --Biochemistness-76 14:14, 2 March 2008 (MST)
Hmm. --Deviattor 14:30, 2 March 2008 (MST)
Present and accounted for. Kuro 20:06, 2 March 2008 (MST)
 :( --Rav 23:49, 15 April 2008 (MDT)

Switching DBs

Biochemist brought this up on IRC a bit ago, and I think it'd be a good idea if we can get assurances from Soukosa that Amesani will be up for the foreseeable future. Comments? --Resplendent 09:51, 7 May 2008 (MDT)

RODE seems a bit slow as of late, and to a noticeable extent doesn't have complete 11.3 info up. (Presumably in anticipation of RODE2). Amesani on the other hand seems to have more of its info up to date but is a slightly different look & feel for people to get used to. Too much switching around is probably not a good idea, (so it would be good if amesani is around long term).
If RODE is to become defunct (in favor of RODE2), we will at some point need to adjust where the templates link.
--Biochemistness-76 17:04, 7 May 2008 (MDT)
Sou seems to think she'll be around a bit, so unless anyone has an objection I'll change it over once she changes the URLs. --Resplendent 09:27, 8 May 2008 (MDT)
Any chances of getting StringFunctions added to the parser? Without it, i dont see anyway (backwards compatible) of making the current templates work with amesani's url's. (short of going and changing every use of them on every page, which would be sidestepping backwards compatibility) --Biochemistness-76 15:52, 26 May 2008 (MDT)

Installed. --Resplendent 23:12, 26 May 2008 (MDT)

Switch complete, examples on each of the template pages linked correctly, so everything should be in proper working order. --Biochemistness-76 23:48, 26 May 2008 (MDT)

Wiki Skin

I'm having trouble because of the reduced contrast. My eyesight is ok, but the contrast is too low in my opinion. Any possibility of providing a second, better-contrast alternate stylesheet? Technically, the current body text color (RGB 96 109 125) in grayscale is 110 (out of 255), in other words less than half contrast. I find it slightly painful. Links also need to stick out more, methinks. --Steax 23:48, 13 June 2008 (MDT)

I agree with this. --Biochemistness-76 12:16, 14 June 2008 (MDT)
I've been playing with CSS colors the last couple of days, and I think the one on the front page looks fairly decent. However, I can't find the right line in the css file for the in-line text (currently the pale gray). --Resplendent 11:51, 16 June 2008 (MDT)
That would be in main.css line 27. color: #606D7D is the pale bluish gray currently used for all text. My suggestion is #303D4D or #202D3D. Those look pretty nice and sharp. --Steax 17:46, 16 June 2008 (MDT)

Done, hope that helps! --Resplendent 18:08, 16 June 2008 (MDT)

Much better. --Steax 23:07, 16 June 2008 (MDT)

Project Ideas

  • Organize Weapon pages, they need it...
  • Forging materials for weapons put on forge page in organized table. DONE
  • Job Change guides for all classes. These are in need of organizing as well, they're all over the place. Some are integrated into the class's article and others are separate. Need to decide how to do them. DONE
I'm thinking for this maybe have a First Classes Job Change Guides page with all 6, then a different guide for each 2nd class, and an Expanded Classes Job Change Guides page for Super Novice, Gunslinger and Ninja.
I've done reorganizing for the Monk Job Change Guide, and generally patched up what I could from the previous version. --Steax 04:54, 22 June 2008 (MDT)
I added links to all second class (sans expanded) Job Change Guides on the Quests page. Anyone who can assist in moving the job change content from the class pages to the guides pages, please do so! --Resplendent 20:18, 22 June 2008 (MDT)
All second trans job quests are identical; should we just move them to a separate page, should we not? --Steax 01:43, 20 July 2008 (MDT)
I think it's all right to have the job change for them on their own class pages. The template is exactly the same already, so there's continuity, and it's super short. --Resplendent 10:03, 20 July 2008 (MDT)
  • Optimizing of Job pages: The new structure has been decided upon, it seems. I'm starting to construct, within the PvP/WoE application section, information on a class-to-class basis, defining roles of what the job usually does. I'm starting on Sage now. --Steax 06:04, 5 July 2008 (MDT) DONE

Job Page Standardization

This is a project that's probably long overdue. The structure needs to be formalized in a MOS page, and needs to be applied to all job pages. I'll make a MOS page and leave it open for editing for a period of time before closing it. --Resplendent 08:33, 27 August 2008 (MDT) DONE

Time Portals

Some skill pages had "older version" sections (i.e. Back Stab), and while I was going to add these to a few others (i.e. for Spear Boomerang, a note on how it used to be ghost property: the usefulness is this could clear up some misconceptions about it that are brought up from time to time, ofc this being applicable to other skills too), I was thinking about making 'Comodo Changes' and 'Juno Changes' pages (also alpha-->beta transition), since there are practically 0 reliable sources regarding outdated content...and for whatever reason (nostalgia, etc) many people are interested in old RO content. However, I'm not sure where to link to them from. I wouldn't want to tag them as 'Game Mechanics' to avoid confusion, even if it's stated that the content on the pages is outdated.

--Rav 08:20, 18 July 2008 (MDT)
I'll look into what information I can dig up. I'm also looking into finding out more background information about cities and places, because background stories are often interesting. For now just add in a note in the Notes section for the skills about how it used to be (some skills already do that). --Steax 00:24, 19 July 2008 (MDT)
I know some already do that, I added the ones that do that myself (save Back Stab) however long ago (not sure if they were removed with the move from RI). I am looking to make new pages however. If no one has any good suggestions I will just do what I was planning on.
--Rav 13:12, 19 July 2008 (MDT)

I'll make a test page layout, see how you like it. --Resplendent 13:24, 19 July 2008 (MDT)

Resource Request

Does anyone have the icons used for statuses in-game? I mean like the Increase agi icon, critical wounds, etc? It would be nice to have a legend on what each icon indicates. One last suggestion: Shouldn't the topics in this page be in reverse chronological order? --Steax 03:16, 30 May 2008 (MDT)

Doddler's Icon Guide. It might be nice to port a copy over to the wiki, i can spot at least 1 thing that should be changed. (slyness icon doesn't display in game.) --Biochemistness-76 12:31, 30 May 2008 (MDT)
Ported over the info but we need the images. --Resplendent 10:29, 21 September 2008 (MDT)
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